I hate to sound victim blaming and this is in no way an excuse for her husband to murder her and the children for gods sake!! Im sure not uncommon for cheaters. Later, Chris took Shananns body into the back of his work truck and also took his two daughters to the oil-storage site, where he first buried Shanann and then strangled both his daughters with a blanket and disposed of them in the oil tanks. During the investigation, Shananns purse containing her phone and keys, her car in the garage, and her wedding ring on the couples bed were found. Easier said than done, of course. Shannan's body was . Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about their relationship) - YouTube 0:00 / 7:24 #ShanannWatts #ChrisWatts Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about. The case became one of the most publicized murders in American history. He'd stopped touching her, kissing her, would barely speak unless spoken to. Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 Disturbing prison letters from Chris Watts to a crime author detailed Shannan Watts' horrific death Credit: Refer to Caption 15 I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? The documentary, entitled American Murder: The Family Next Door, began streaming on September 30. He is also reportedly back in touch with Kessinger, who changed her name after the murders, per Daily Mail. In an . Covert Narcissist are incapable of real love and learn early on to mimic. Then he drove her body to a job site at the oil company where he worked. In BENEATH THE OIL, for the first time the full extent of how Chris Watts was locked-in is revealed, as well as why he may have broken out of his deeply dysfunctional marriage the way he did. Youre right, Emma, about there being a lack of grief. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. This case does offer a caution to other couples to communicate openly from both sides, whether from the side being overly controlling or the side that is crushed-in, and being controlled. Having someone listen to him was a total shock to him. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? Now the Lupus posts begin. Murder is a way to save the family from the hardships, etc. He pleaded guilty that November to all three slayings. Why kill them? Obviously he came to this conclusion and carried it out. I love Chris! she wrote. Even though the family had issues before their tragic endthey filed for bankruptcy in 2015 friends and neighbors called them the "perfect" family,per The Coloradan. He takes her side in the nutgate incident and its possible hed already made up his mind what he was going to do so he could act like he was on her side knowing it really didnt make much difference, he was going to get rid of everyone anyway. Hes conflicted by the pros and cons of making such a drastic change in his life. In an interview with a. , Christopher said he and his wife had an emotional conversation before her disappearance, and he pleaded for her and the kids to come home. Learn the difference. By clicking Accept All Cookies, you agree to the storing of cookies on your device to enhance site navigation, analyze site usage, and assist in our marketing efforts. As early as August 8th, Shanann confided in Cassie Rosenberg and Nickole Atkinson that her husband wanted a divorce [she didnt], but not right away. When Watts visited the Hair Jazz salon in Aberdeen where Sandi Rzucek worked, it was clear to the hairdressers [Sandis co-workers] that Watts wasnt happy, and Sandi actually told them then [in early August 2018] that the marriage wasnt working, and that the couple were separating. The 34-year-old mother regularly posted updates on social media about . I agree CBH. A puzzle that is missing many key pieces. According to the lawyer, after an argument over divorce, Chris strangled Shanann to death. You dont consider others at all, nor think about others' feelings.. The way she told him about Nico was bizarre. Now, her husband, Chris Watts, is accused of killing her and their two young girls in Frederick, Colorado. How old was she when she married, how long did it last? She even brings it up again in the love letter she left for him. That was definitely the plan." The baby was a way of Chris Watts wanting sex so instead of just asking for sex he says why dont we try for another child. And her house that everyone is talking about? I dont know who he is, she texted a friend on Aug. 7, 2018. I think they were married 3-4 years. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. I have thought she cheated all along as well. Said he thought another baby would fix his feelings. But I could be wrong. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. IDK just my two-centsit is hard to see in most families b/c not many of us post so openly about our daily lives. Our love just grows strong everyday!". I think she went off of what others told her about CW and what she saw for herselfher implying judgement on him, belittling his character, controlling, making off-hand commentsa lot of that is part of her character, she was outgoing, sarcastic and opinionated, that isnt always bad. Required fields are marked *. I think chris felt tremendous pressure from the debt and third baby and family issues and feeling controlled and emasculated. Obviously Thrive was all BS and she was facing a pregnancy all by herself, flat broke and facing humiliation from her team/peers and raising kids by herself. Thank you so much for providing all of the analyzation and conclusion because it defines this case as it was and is. Im sure he brought up divorce many times, her Im not so sure. I think she emasculated Chris. He has changed. The pot hadnt boiled over yet. in the future. I know an ex wife who was getting very greedy and sued for more and lost because her ex could show he had no income by getting his employer to pay him in cash and lived on credit cards for a while. How did things change so quickly? May be she aspired to live a little beyond their means but she didnt kill anyone not does that make her evil. He figured Ill get what I want and she has a hard time getting pregnant so it will never happen. Daughter of Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. He knew his new woman wasnt going to stand for him shelling out half his income in child support, no way. There was also a good heart there I can see I think because of this drive and a relentless thrusting of her family onto social media, she lost him an essentially reserved guy somewhere along the way. Totally depressed, unable to eat or sleep and wondering how she was going to make it on her own. She would contact CW and NKs employer outing them and she would stir up ANY kind of shit she could even if it would be detrimental to her own children. At TCRS we dont try to take anyones side, were just trying to figure out what happened. Chris was moved to an out-of-station location due to security concerns on December 3, 2018; he arrived at the maximum-security prison called Dodge Correctional Institution, Waupun, Wisconsin on December 5, 2018. And this seems to be the word he prefers to use. Hes a fucking psychopath. I dont buy him snapping, as you mentioned on a previous post, after Shanann threatened him with never seeing his kids again. No one has been able to fathom Chris Watts' motive - until now Two Face is available now exclusively on Amazon Kindle Unlimited. On Nov. 6, Watts pleaded guilty to the nine charges he faced, including five counts of first-degree murder. Perpetrators may control their victims using sexual, emotional, verbal, psychological, financial or digital abuse. He refused to hug me after he said he will try to work it out! Have a great time.". Her first marriage/husband Discussion I'm interested in Shannan's first marriage. Chris boss spoke very highly of him in the first phone interview with the CBI. Shananns worries about her marriage had eaten up her confidence in Chris and their bond together. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. The thousands in shoes, clothes, purses etc. I think if you go back and look at the Thrive video output it might correlate with when Chris began cheating posting a profile on Tinder and hooking up with Amanda McMahon either Feb. or March 2018. All of this would allow him to pacify her as well as himself and buy him some more time. They filed for bankruptcy due to do much debt they had. I think that was the form her OCD took. Going way back, back to the conversation she had with Mr. Hamza, back before Chris was shopping around for hookups, back to when he might have first flirted with Nichole Kessinger. Hopefully hell spend the rest of his life being emasculated by being another prisoners jail bitch. It probably doesnt matter to those people that Shanann was controlling, and you raise a good point, did she internalize everything and wonder what she was doing wrong? . 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. At a later hearing, the bail was set at $5 million, and Chris was required to put down 15% to be released. Similar to C&S relationship. In Shananns mind she may have convinced herself it all had to do with the nut argument with his parents, then at the end of her life she may have gotten the message that he was cheating, but way way before that. >>>Firstly because he was having an affair, and secondly because he murdered her. Why is it assumed that Shannan is controlling and that Chris hated it? In a fit of rage, Chris strangulated Shanann and took the three dead bodies to a remote oil-storage site, Anadarko Petroleum, where he was employed before. Hes passive, a yes man, doesnt want confrontation. Wake up to the day's most important news. Yes, she did want to have the good things in life. Three weeks before a friend reported Shanann missing on Aug. 13, leading to the discovery that her and the girls had been murdered, Shanann texted her husband on July 24, writing, "l realized. It was clear from the messages that Shanann's marriage was in crisis, Chris was at best apathetic about the new baby, the couple had serious financial problems, and Shanann had begun to suspect Chris was cheating on her. The streaming platform recently released the documentary American Murder: . #ChrisWatts, A post shared by Nick van der Leek (@nickvdleek) on Jun 7, 2019 at 8:30am PDT. The grass always looks greener when you are looking at a fantasy. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. Shanann Watts is pictured with her husband, Christopher, and their two daughters, Celeste and Bella. The Colorado woman's husband, Chris - a normally loving affectionate man - had become cold and distant. Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. He was an attorney correct? Remains believed to belong to their two children were. Shanann was born to Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. And so I agree with you Holly that five week taste of freedom sealed the deal, and he couldnt go back to business as usual. And if her controlling nature was no big deal then it would have been no big deal. They dont want family, friends or S/Os to know so they secretly go and get this done. The word divorce comes up 35 times in the Discovery Documents and just once in the CBI Report. Shanann Watts' FIRST husband: Interview excerpts Thought-provoking videos 6.44K subscribers Subscribe 401 Share 22K views 2 years ago Everyone deserves to know the Truth: That "God is Love". She was an independent representative for the multi-level marketing company Le-Vel. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Chris Watts ' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and daughters Bella and Celeste went missing on Aug. 13, 2018, after she missed a doctor's appointment. Once there, he smothered the girls and dumped the bodies of all three. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Anne Sacoolas Wiki, Age, Husband, Family, Biography & More, Ramatu Ujiri (Masai Ujiris Wife) Wiki, Age, Height, Family, Children, Biography & More, Aaron Dean Wiki, Age, Wife, Controversy, Family, Biography & More, Larry Nassar Wiki, Age, Wife, Children, Family, Biography & More, Qasem Soleimani Wiki, Age, Death, Wife, Family, Biography & More, Maci Currin Wiki, Age, Height, Family, Biography & More. Why was their marriage not going well? He had policies on his kids and wife. A Netflix documentary titled American Murder: The Family Next Door directed by Jenny Popplewell was released in September 2020. I love how some people begin their comments with Im not victim blaming BUT or Obviously he should not have done it BUT . And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. He was interviewed by many news channels where he pleaded for the return of his family. This explains why he had both female AND male secret lovers. Said, he refused couples counseling., Shanann was expecting a son they planned to name Niko. Yes, too little to late on her end. She did her schooling from Pinecrest High School in Southern Pines. No one has been able to fathom Chris Watts' motive - until now Two Face is available now exclusively on Amazon Kindle Unlimited. So why take the children out too? Thats his choice, how he prefers it. You feel like youre expendable. But she didnt let up about it. This might have been in an attempt to just glaze over their issues and not answer truthfully but to answer with half-truths. Chriss mom is a nasty soul and exhibits the toxic traits of a Narcissist herself, and so it would make sense. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. The American cable channel Lifetime released a film called Chris Watts: Confessions of a Killer on January 26, 2020. Later, Chris confessed to murdering Shanann and his daughters. way out by divorcing instead of killing her. Reportedly, the documentary consists of the archival footage of the case with no narration or enactment; it also includes social media posts, law enforcement recordings, text messages, and home videos. He wants out but. You seem to like the psychopath label. Shanann was delusional in living beyond their means but she wasnt EVIL Chris Watts is. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. We dont know whether there had been violence during their marriage, but it would not be surprising that Shanann tried to project a positive image to her friends and colleagues, both on and off of social media.. I love this man! But this wasnt the trigger, it couldnt be, because Shanann already knew about the divorce, and had known for a long time. Thats bad enough in private, in a marriage, imagine what it feels like to see that on social media from your partner. Your mind (even if it constantly runs in the background) will always be consumed with the what-ifs and know that you have this deep desire for something more and when you find someone that is of the same mindset it is really hard to switch gears and go back to what you know isnt cutting it anymore (unfortunately/unfortunate choice of words as I completely respect the sanctity of marriage and strong support SW) but I believe he just got trapped and wanted a quick way out. Offline, however, the text messages between Shanann and Chris and Shanann and her friends painted a starkly different picture. I think he did use this separation or withdrawal narrative and allowed her to once again lead the conversations and try to pry and get more information for his gain and benefitthis would allow him to gaslight, manipulate, tell her what she wanted to hear. There was never an investigation in the case, therefore its impossible to know who killed Shanann or the little girls. Its not a nice feeling. Taylor, "We will get together when I get home". LEONARD's current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. People with less than 2 brain cells should not be allowed to comment on public posts. I dont think the affair and murder had to do with being spineless as I believe he was always capable of this he just never had the gull to stand up for himself before (I mean that loosely and sarcastically)by that I mean that he disengaged and went with the fun new model that also slightly resembled his wife. Why do you need film footage of that? He never ever portrayed anything when it came to those poor little girls. He admitted to that. She didnt break him. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW, A milder separation narrative [to Shanann]. If Chris CHOOSES not to make a choice in anything ie lets watch what you want to watch eat where you want to eat go where you want to go etc that doesnt automatically make Shannan controlling, it makes Chris a boring, spineless, personalityless wimp. She was desperate when she realized he was done. In an effort to avoid the death sentence, he had pled guilty on Nov. 6, 2018 to killing his pregnant 34-year-old wife Shanann Watts, and their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, not quite three months earlier.And the five life sentences that would be handed down weeks laterplus additional time for the murder of his unborn son . I think the parents were used as a shield, the children too, so that she would not be alone with Watts in a small hotel room trying to work out their issues and his absolutely apparent, angry and distant demeanor toward her. This isnt the same obviously but it is the same mental state of mindsame thought processes. Not sure how often that happens even though Im still friends with my sons ex-wife but it would be very hard not to like her, There is an interview of an ex-girlfriend . I believe CW told NK and SW exactly what each of them wanted to hear to fit his narrative and his end-game. It all goes back to SW having a similar strong personality to CWs mom, that is probably the sole reason CWs mom didnt like SW. Called him a wierdo one one of her nauseating THRIVE pitches. Chris told Shanann he wanted a divorce a few hours later. In June 2018, Shanann told her husband she was pregnant with their third child. @Strawheart, how do you know she didnt kill the little girls? Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. A Timeline Of Chris And Shanann Watts' Marriage, Shanann Watts worked for a multi-level marketing company. Christopher is now in jail facing six charges three for first-degree murder and three for tampering with evidence. Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. Parents dont like to get involved in their grown adult childrens relationships or marital problems, I understand this. Shanann Watts was an American businesswoman. That is never a good sign. Though the Watts family had financial struggles, they also had a . In many of Shananns videos she describes him a lot like that hell do whatever I tell him to do etc. Shanann thought or hoped the marriage was stuttering slightly. I need you to meet me halfway. Only he took them out first, because he knew he was going to end her life as soon as she got home. Youre right. Yet experts in domestic violence say its impossible to know what happens behind closed doors, and social media accounts can act as a tool to hide turmoil in the home. She loved dogs and had a dachshund named Dieter. After Shananns death and Chris arrest, Dieter was kept at a friends house and later went to live with her brother, Frankie. On August 21, Chris was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, an additional one count per child cited as death of a child who had not yet attained 12 years of age and the defendant was in a position of trust, three counts of tampering with a deceased human body, and unlawful termination of a pregnancy. We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. If she hated him so much, why didnt she leave him? Yeah, she was a real gem. There are strong ideas that point in a direction (multiple directions) but I think it is going to be an accumulation of reasons that ultimately led him to lash out and commit murder. - a normally loving affectionate man - had become cold and distant worries about her marriage had eaten her. 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